*Experts* Nerseus Posted August 15, 2003 *Experts* Posted August 15, 2003 Yep, the new google toolbar (http://toolbar.google.com) stops popups! Plus, you can search google ALL the time, instantly. Woo hoo! -Nerseus Quote "I want to stand as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all the kinds of things you can't see from the center." - Kurt Vonnegut
*Gurus* Derek Stone Posted August 16, 2003 *Gurus* Posted August 16, 2003 Not to be argumentative, but am I the only one who fails to see the use of the Google toolbar? Mozilla and Opera already... ooo... that's right. I forgot about Internet Explorer users... Quote Posting Guidelines
*Experts* Volte Posted August 16, 2003 *Experts* Posted August 16, 2003 It's self-proclaimed spyware though, so I will never use it. Plus I use Opera. :p[edit]Ok, that's slightly wierd... both of us bumped a relatively old (day-old) thread at exactly the same time. :p[/edit] Quote
wyrd Posted August 16, 2003 Posted August 16, 2003 People actually use Opera and Mozilla? That was a joke right? :P Quote Gamer extraordinaire. Programmer wannabe.
Leaders John Posted August 16, 2003 Leaders Posted August 16, 2003 My default Browser is Mozilla :p Quote "These Patriot playoff wins are like Ray Charles songs, Nantucket sunsets, and hot fudge sundaes. Each one is better than the last." - Dan Shaughnessy
ThePentiumGuy Posted August 16, 2003 Posted August 16, 2003 are u serious about the google toolbar being spyware? You can choose weather you want to have spyware or not(it says, advanced toolbar - sends statistics to other ppl, or standard toolbar - doesnt send statistics to ppl) as for adware, i dont think it wll have adware.. becaues it blocks popups question - wats the poit of using mozilla or netscape? IE's got all of their features and more! (right,....?) ok, besides AIM integrated within Netscape(which nobody uses, becaue if u close the browser, AIM closes too) and besides mozilla's popup blocker.. and Opera's "world's fastest browser" thing (here's how i think it works, when you visit your website, Opera creates its own "temporary internet files" - only its not temporary - and it downloads EVERYTHING from a site to the folder, so that next time u visit it, it will load the "temporary internet files" and be 'fast') Quote My VB.NET Game Programming Tutorial Site (GDI+, Direct3D, Tetris [coming soon], a full RPG.... you name it!) vbprogramming.8k.com My Project (Need VB.NET Programmers) http://workspaces.gotdotnet.com/ResolutionRPG
*Experts* Volte Posted August 16, 2003 *Experts* Posted August 16, 2003 OK, maybe the light version of googlebar isn't spyware. IE has no features at all, really. It's a browser. It's not a tabbed interface, no popup blocking, no integrated mail... it doesn't even render all HTML properly (not that any browser does it perfectly, but better than IE). MS has abandoned IE at this point anyway. 6.0 is the last version. Longhorn will have a fully integrated browser (based on IE, most likely), and there will be no further versions of IE. Quote
wyrd Posted August 16, 2003 Posted August 16, 2003 OK, maybe the light version of googlebar isn't spyware. :rolleyes: IE has no features at all, really. It's a browser. It's not a tabbed interface, no popup blocking, no integrated mail... it doesn't even render all HTML properly (not that any browser does it perfectly, but better than IE). MS has abandoned IE at this point anyway. 6.0 is the last version. Longhorn will have a fully integrated browser (based on IE, most likely), and there will be no further versions of IE. That's all it should be, a browser. Mozilla loads slower then snot (maybe this isn't an issue for those with 3ghz computers), and definitely does not parse HTML better then IE. Integraded mail client; uhm, yay? 3rd party e-mail clients are usually better and the web based mail my ISP provides works just fine. Integraded pop-up blocks; I don't visit porn sites so there isn't much need for that. I don't have experience with Operah, so I can't say much about that. All I do know is that IE does its job and gives me no reason to download some other browser. Quote Gamer extraordinaire. Programmer wannabe.
ThePentiumGuy Posted August 16, 2003 Posted August 16, 2003 Longhorn will have a fully integrated browser (based on IE, most likely), and there will be no further versions of IE. Longhorn? is that the new windows? when is that coming out?? woah!! does anybody know any screenshots of longhorn?? Quote My VB.NET Game Programming Tutorial Site (GDI+, Direct3D, Tetris [coming soon], a full RPG.... you name it!) vbprogramming.8k.com My Project (Need VB.NET Programmers) http://workspaces.gotdotnet.com/ResolutionRPG
*Experts* Volte Posted August 16, 2003 *Experts* Posted August 16, 2003 http://www.winsupersite.com It'll probably be out in 2004. Quote
*Experts* Volte Posted August 16, 2003 *Experts* Posted August 16, 2003 wyrd: Opera is very fast (much moreso than IE). Also, Opera is much less buggy with *proper* HTML than IE, though it may not work with horribly coded sites. That's the way it should be anyway. Maybe people will start making sites properly. :p Quote
Leaders John Posted August 17, 2003 Leaders Posted August 17, 2003 Very good point Volte. The rendering wyrd is talking about is more than likely very poorly coded sites that should look terrible (if displayed at all) because they were coded poorly. Now that I have started using Mozilla, I can't live without the tabbed browsing and all of the script/popup blocking that it does. Just because you don't visit those types of sites wyrd doesn't mean that these features aren't handy, I don't visit them either but still get popups once in a while. If you used google, or some other search engine, as much as I do they would come in very handy. Sometimes you will search for something and click a link which looks good to you and the next thing you know your browser has been resized to take up the whole screen but it isn't maximized. This is incredibly annoying and just plain bad site design anyway (IMHO), I'm very glad that mozilla gives me the option to block that foolishness. Quote "These Patriot playoff wins are like Ray Charles songs, Nantucket sunsets, and hot fudge sundaes. Each one is better than the last." - Dan Shaughnessy
*Experts* Volte Posted August 17, 2003 *Experts* Posted August 17, 2003 I don't know, but most sites I've seen that are hosted by free webhosts have popups. I visited a site on brinkster's free service today and 3 popups came up. Many free sites have switched to ad service to support themselves (though an ad banner should suffice I think). The other reason I use Opera is becaues it gives full control. Some sites prevent to from right-clicking and it is very annoying, yet Opera will not try and stop you. The other feature I cannot live without is the Wand in Opera. It saves all the forms you fill out (if you want), and instead of filling them out each time, just click the Wand button and it will fill the form out automatically. I use it for every site. I just wouldn't recommend using it on a comp that other people use (luckily, I paid for my own computer and no-one else uses it at all). Quote
Leaders John Posted August 17, 2003 Leaders Posted August 17, 2003 Some very good advice from Derek: For a long time Internet Explorer was the only browser to use, but that time has long since passed. As it stands now, Internet Explorer, Mozilla, Netscape and Opera are all viable solutions. Standards support has increased in all of them in the past year. Features such as tabbed browsing and popup-blocking are found in all the newest versions (except for Internet Explorer), and these are huge productivity aids, to say in the least. There are pros and cons to all the major browsers, but they're slowly being worked out. It would be rather uneducated to judge any of the top browsers. Take a week and try one of them out. You might just find something useful. From this thread. Quote "These Patriot playoff wins are like Ray Charles songs, Nantucket sunsets, and hot fudge sundaes. Each one is better than the last." - Dan Shaughnessy
ThePentiumGuy Posted August 17, 2003 Posted August 17, 2003 i just got opera.. i changed my mind about it, its pretty cool, (when i tried it, i used opera 2) , version 6 is cool. the only part i hate about it is that you cant set it up for hotmail or yahoo or mail.com :( and the reason its considered to be fast is because IE, waht it does is waits for the whole page to load before displaying it, and downloads the whole page(except for the text) all at once Opera, however, downloads the indivisual componets of the page and displays them As soon as they're done downloading(i think) overall, its pretty cool Quote My VB.NET Game Programming Tutorial Site (GDI+, Direct3D, Tetris [coming soon], a full RPG.... you name it!) vbprogramming.8k.com My Project (Need VB.NET Programmers) http://workspaces.gotdotnet.com/ResolutionRPG
ThePentiumGuy Posted August 17, 2003 Posted August 17, 2003 I don't know, but most sites I've seen that are hosted by free webhosts have popups. well, thats how the free webpages make money :) btw, i might sign up for Brinkster, how do the sites look in the address bar? like FreeServers appear as youristename.(something - e.g 8k).com geocities: http://www.geocities.com/yoursite name how does brinkster.com look? EDIT: nevermind you have to give them your phone number Quote My VB.NET Game Programming Tutorial Site (GDI+, Direct3D, Tetris [coming soon], a full RPG.... you name it!) vbprogramming.8k.com My Project (Need VB.NET Programmers) http://workspaces.gotdotnet.com/ResolutionRPG
*Experts* mutant Posted August 17, 2003 *Experts* Posted August 17, 2003 The thing I like about Google toolbar is that it shows the PageRank which is interesting sometimes. Quote
*Experts* Volte Posted August 17, 2003 *Experts* Posted August 17, 2003 PentiumGuy: why'd you get version 6? Version 7.11 is far, far, far better. Quote
ThePentiumGuy Posted August 17, 2003 Posted August 17, 2003 they have 7? well, i just downloaded the first link in http://www.download.com when i searcehd for opera EDIT: nevermind it was 7 Quote My VB.NET Game Programming Tutorial Site (GDI+, Direct3D, Tetris [coming soon], a full RPG.... you name it!) vbprogramming.8k.com My Project (Need VB.NET Programmers) http://workspaces.gotdotnet.com/ResolutionRPG
pjv Posted August 17, 2003 Posted August 17, 2003 Has noone else looked at Avant? It uses IE to display the page, but adds popup blocking, tabs, etc. Probably my fav browser atm, with Mozilla Firebird a close second :) Pete Quote
*Gurus* Derek Stone Posted August 17, 2003 *Gurus* Posted August 17, 2003 That's all it should be, a browser. Mozilla loads slower then snot (maybe this isn't an issue for those with 3ghz computers), and definitely does not parse HTML better then IE. Integraded mail client; uhm, yay? 3rd party e-mail clients are usually better and the web based mail my ISP provides works just fine. Integraded pop-up blocks; I don't visit porn sites so there isn't much need for that. I don't have experience with Operah, so I can't say much about that. All I do know is that IE does its job and gives me no reason to download some other browser. Do me a favor and try Mozilla and Opera for a week or more a piece. If you come out of it still liking Internet Explorer then more power to you. I'm not here to tell you which browser to use because that decision is up to you. However, I really don't appreciate people who come into a religious debate without a clue as to what they're fighting about. I've done it in the past, but I refuse to ever do it again. It's time people get educated. Quote Posting Guidelines
*Gurus* Derek Stone Posted August 17, 2003 *Gurus* Posted August 17, 2003 And in all seriousness the Google toolbar can be an excellent addition to Internet Explorer. I urge you to try it out. Quote Posting Guidelines
wyrd Posted August 17, 2003 Posted August 17, 2003 Do me a favor and try Mozilla and Opera for a week or more a piece. If you come out of it still liking Internet Explorer then more power to you. I'm not here to tell you which browser to use because that decision is up to you. However, I really don't appreciate people who come into a religious debate without a clue as to what they're fighting about. I've done it in the past, but I refuse to ever do it again. It's time people get educated. LOL whoa there boy, no reason to get all excited. Obviously you didn't realize half of what I said was ment in good 'ol fasion humor. And maybe you should read more careful, because I said that I didn't have experience with Operah and didn't comment on it, but I have used Mozzila and IE and that's what my post was about; Mozilla vs. IE. Oh, and what religious debate? It's more like a slaughter when 90% of the users out there use a single browser. ;) Quote Gamer extraordinaire. Programmer wannabe.
*Experts* Nerseus Posted August 18, 2003 Author *Experts* Posted August 18, 2003 Wowzers - didn't realize this would fuel a browser war type of response. I've got nothing against any browser (well maybe Netscape - never rendered my GOOD HTML right and previously, when I and my clients needed it, never handled scripting as good as IE)... whoops, got into it myself :p Just wanted to let us IE users know we had a "nice" popup stopper available. And you can use the advanced version, just turn off the page ranking feature which stops the sending of the info. It only sends what pages you hit, nothing about you or your computer. -Nerseus Quote "I want to stand as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all the kinds of things you can't see from the center." - Kurt Vonnegut
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