Am I on Candid Camera?... About to Flip Out

[coldfusion244]

My only regret is that I bought VB instead of C#. Any of you other VB users can call me crazy but I like C syntax better. Even if I always forget to close my brackets. And the second equal sign.

 

lol, I am a member of a php board and you wouldn't believe how many times the answer was "you forgot the second equals sign bud."

[IngisKahn]

And you' date=' IngisKahn will sound just like that also [i']when[/i] it happens to you.

 

Not sure what you mean. I've been with BASIC from BASICA to Quick Basic to VB to .NET; I've transitioned from C to C++ to ATL to COM to C# all the while keeping my ASM skills sharp (btw, MSIL is cool and worth learning). By far the easiest, the most logical, and the most pleasurable transition has been to .NET

 

I understand that when you only know one programming language then Anything Else seems backwards. Take consolation in the fact that VB is now a full-fledged OOP language and that the skills you gain learing .NET can be applied elsewhere.

[realolman]

What I meant IngisKahn, was that I feel your post re: good ol' VB scripters, fortran and cobal guys of old, was condescending, and the "beautifully simple" stuff was disingenuous baloney.

 

A multi-languaged, sharp skilled guy like you should have picked up on that, I think. But then I'm just a one programming language guy... and an obsolete language at that.

 

I retract my statement about you're ever getting left behind. You'll probably always be cutting edge.

 

I'm still waiting for your demonstration and your explanation of why this forum even exists, considering the "beautiful simplicity" of VB. net

[Derek Stone]

Let's keep the sarcasm to a minimum. These forums are meant to facilitate the exchange of ideas. If I wanted to listen to bickering I'd turn on some reality TV.

[ThePentiumGuy]

Man, this thread is turning into a flame war.

 

Realolman - All I can say is everyone has their own opinions. If you don't like it, you don't have to use it (unless you're forced to... like your job). Hell I know some people who prefer Delphi over VB6, or even fortran over any language. Use what you want.

 

We all agree, to some extent at least, that Microsoft has made some careless choices regarding MSDN. Some of us here just live with that. Some of us don't like it and have moved on to other languages.

 

Once in a while there's a flame war deciding between languages (I remember a few months ago there was one between C# and VB.NET - I won't go there). Sure, sometimes we have arguments, Hell after that flame war I decided to try out C# and eventually liked it, some of us did the same too.

 

Basically my point is, maybe .NET isn't so simple ("Beautifully simple" as some of you put it) to you - but that's what this forum is for.

 

We're here to help.

 

-The Pentium Guy

[PlausiblyDamp]

At the end of the day MSDN is just one of the options provided by Microsoft as a source of help, ultimately your mileage will vary depending on how you approach it as a source of documentation and how you phrase your search criteria. Personally I tend to find it useful when needing to lookup method syntax, information regarding exceptions that may be thrown, acceptable ranges for parameters etc. Pretty much the stuff I would expect from library documentation. Yes the sample code included can be of variable quality - however other resources such as the 101 samples, http://www.gotdotnet.com, channel9 etc also provide another source of information and examples. If you have an issue with MSDN etc. why not take it up with Microsoft and let them know your issues?

 

As to why this forum exists - people will need help regardless of the language being used and a forum can be more than a simple source of code samples. If VB6 was so simple what was the need for the plethora of VB6 related forums? They are (or were depending on your current language choice) a valuable resource - just the same as this forum (hopefully) and others are a valuable resource to .Net programmers.

A programming language, just like a spoken language, can be simple and elegant - this does not preclude it from being able to express complex concepts; concepts which people may need external input to be able to express correctly or with maximum effect. This isn't always the fault of the underlying language or the person using it, but surely seeking help in a constructive way and then learning from this is how we progress in life.

Edited February 22, 2005 by PlausiblyDamp

[realolman]

I felt IngisKahn's posts were condescending and I was offended by them.

 

I will do no more flaming or complaining about .net

 

My reasons for trying to learn .net are probably about the same as anyone else's, including not wanting to be left behind when older languages are no longer supported.

 

I do not believe .net is simple, nor was VB6, or any other language.

[ThePentiumGuy]

I will do no more flaming or complaining about .net

Thank you :).

Welcome to the community.

 

-The Pentium Guy