Games that are NOT fullscreen

[Denaes]

I don't know what the fixation is on fullscreen. I've always hated them. Thats the point of windows, to have windows.

 

Fast forward to me getting a widescreen laptop... now fullscreen games don't even work on my computer at all.

 

Anyone know of games that are NOT fullscreen? I prefer RPG/Strategy/Puzzle games that you can play in a window. Diablo II was great because of this :)

[Arch4ngel]

I think full screen is better. When you play a game you want to be immerse in it. You don't want to play and view your email, talk to your girlfriend on MSN (who would do that while playing ??:p)... games are made to be immersive.

 

Maybe some game don't need to be fullscreen (Civilization is one good exemple) but let's talk about FPS. Do you really have time to talk to your girlfriend while your snipping your friend at Half Life ?

 

Let's talk more technical... by having window... you can resize your window which means different resolution (of the window) so the game will have to support every size of the window and make sure there's absolutly NO GLITCH. This can be a lot of work... but even if they lock the window to a size... won't it be ugly ?

 

Full screen have been made to provide an immersion to a game and showing the window (not talking about background, start menu, etc. ) will simply be fully ugly.

 

I know some program can make a hard time to my computer my doing popup and (don't talk about old version of MSN who was poping you messages). But hey... when I play a game... it's like having sex with my girl friend. I don't want to be bothered by anyone and by anything.

 

Some comments on what I've said ?

[ThePentiumGuy]

But hey... when I play a game... it's like having sex with my girl friend.

 

Some comments on what I've said ?

Yeah, lol man, I don't mean to sound all Mr.Perfect and crap but u gotta watch your toungue a bit *shrugs* - There are 8/9 year olds lurking around (at least I remember last year there was)

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Well fullscreen/windowed... whatever you prefer. I prefer not to be disturbed while playing a game. Depends on the game - if its an RPG that's not real time, heck - put it in windowed mode and just chat away with your friends discussing what move you make next.

 

I guess its all dependent on the genre. Action/Real-time/FPSs are usually better in full screen. Strategy/RPGs could be played in windowed.

-The Pentium Guy

[Volte]

I don't know of any recent FPS games that can't also run in a window.

[wyrd]

Pretty much every game out there can be run in windowed. Even games like EverQuest have hacks available that'll allow windowed mode.

[Denaes]

I think full screen is better. When you play a game you want to be immerse in it. You don't want to play and view your email, talk to your girlfriend on MSN (who would do that while playing ??:p)... games are made to be immersive.

 

Maybe some game don't need to be fullscreen (Civilization is one good exemple) but let's talk about FPS. Do you really have time to talk to your girlfriend while your snipping your friend at Half Life ?

I find most games like that very droll. No offense to people who like them, but I can do without realistic realtime animation. It's probobly just me, but I get bored of them very quickly because the plot is normally non-existant or I just don't care about it.

 

I don't mean to knock those that do like those sorts of games. Thats just fine. Most people who like those games enjoy the head-to-head game much more than player vs computer anyway.

 

 

 

Let's talk more technical... by having window... you can resize your window which means different resolution (of the window) so the game will have to support every size of the window and make sure there's absolutly NO GLITCH. This can be a lot of work... but even if they lock the window to a size... won't it be ugly ?

 

Full screen have been made to provide an immersion to a game and showing the window (not talking about background, start menu, etc. ) will simply be fully ugly.

 

I know some program can make a hard time to my computer my doing popup and (don't talk about old version of MSN who was poping you messages). But hey... when I play a game... it's like having sex with my girl friend. I don't want to be bothered by anyone and by anything.

 

Some comments on what I've said ?

I have a widescreen laptop which means automatically 95% of fullscreen games wont' work on my PC.

 

I also have two monitors. My 17" laptop widescreen monitor and 17" Flatscreen CRT.

 

I have two monitors because I like to do two things at once and/or spread out.

 

I watch movies on one monitor while I program. I program in one window and keep my helpfiles/ebooks/wepages open in the other for easy access.

 

Currently I have Visual Studio open to my "Test-Help" Solution, which I keep open in case I need to test out C# or VB code to help others on a forum. I have two documents open in MS Word - one is a book I'm helping to edit and the other are the notes I'm taking for editorial changes. I also have web browsers open and an mp3 player.

 

The last 4 games I've purchased that I've wanted to actually play wont even run unless I discconect my external monitor. Their "problemless full screen" is a huge hassle. It attempts to fullscreen across both monitors. Even if that 640x480 (whatever is standard) spread out across 12" high and 36" across really sucks. Even when I discconect my extra monitor everything is distorted because my screen is widescreen.

 

Doing it with an option or 3 for a window isn't that much harder once you have a game engine, mapping engine, ai engine, etc. 640x480 screen is still the same size to the computer wether it takes up the full screen or is in a window. It just means that on my computer it'll take up 3/4ths of my screen and not distort.

 

I'm not looking for full immersion and thats ok. The games I enjoy don't require that normally. a good puzzle game isn't any better/worse because I can watch a movie at the same time. My RPGs arn't any worse because I can go into my status screen and check my email really quick without wigging out the resolution and possibly corrupting my game.

 

I'm a gamer, but not a video gamer. I play real roleplaying games in real life and I do get immersed into them. games on my computer are just something to blow off stress, relax or kill some time when my brain is fried.

 

I'm just wondering, with 2-3 monitors becomming more commonplace (cheaper to get 3 15" CRTs and an extra 2 crappy video cards than one 23" CRT) as well as odd screen sizes due to widescreen laptops and the newer plasma TVs you can hook up to your computer, how the video game industry will change to accodate them.

[Denaes]

Pretty much every game out there can be run in windowed. Even games like EverQuest have hacks available that'll allow windowed mode.

I don't know of any recent FPS games that can't also run in a window.

FPS is first person shooter, not frames per second right?

 

I'm sitting on two simulation games I can't play, Baulders Gate, Arcanum, 3 puzzle games where they thought it would be cute to go full screen...

 

You know how sad it is when I download a PSX and GBA emulator becuase they're the only way I can play a game on my computer?

 

GBA is annoying because I love my SP, but I don't have a rom cartridge, so I can't play my game on my computer AND SP, it's one or the other. I wish they had a way to download the saved data to your GBA... probobly is some expensive cart reader/writer...

 

For the most part I've been playing older FF games on my computer... FF7, 8, Tactics. I have a few other "hardly touched" PS games I can play as well. But it just annoys me that I can't play some of the games that I love because I have an odd video configuration under windows 2000. windows XP Home handled my video solution a little better, but I had no IIS for ASP.Net

[Volte]

Perhaps there is some sort of video driver fix you can get or something. I have dual monitors and only the left one is used in fullscreen mode.

[Denaes]

A tale of two monitors.

 

Perhaps there is some sort of video driver fix you can get or something. I have dual monitors and only the left one is used in fullscreen mode.

NVidia gives me the runaround. Because I bought it through Dell, it's their problem. Dell gives me the runaround because its only guaranteed to work on XP and I'm running windows 2000 professional. Besides they have no in depth knowledge of NVidia and what would cause/not cause that sort of problem.

 

When I got my computer, I had XP Home on it. I never used the 2x monitor because it worked awfully. because one is a widescreen and the other is a regular screen, it would cause the fullscreen to be larger than the display, causing it to scroll down and right about an inch. Also because it carried over the taskbar, the time and bar would constantly be gone and I hated having the screen scroll and jerk around as I navigated.

 

So I thought 2 monitors was stupid.

 

Then I found my old Windows 2000 Pro disc and put that on my computer. It was okay, but my trackpad and one set of mice buttons on the laptop didn't work with it. Again, no dell support as it was windows 2000.

 

I threw XP Home back on because I wasn't going to do any ASP.Net apps anytime soon. It was like magic. both screens were perfect. It seperated everything perfectly. Fullscreen would always take fullscreen on the computer monitor. It was kinda annoying that whenever I would run a DVD/video, the external monitor would automatically be pirated into a fullscreen mode. Made it annoying trying to watch a movie and try to do something. But the taskbar and clock were kept to the laptop screen. That was nice.

 

But alas, things come to an end. I thought I was going to start learning ASP.Net apps again, my XP Home got seriously wigged by spyware and spyapps. I decided to reinstall using 2000 pro because I had a cd with service pack 4 on it. That would save so much time vs downloading, installing and restarting 20 times with XP.

 

I got ALL of the up to date bios and driverupdates, everything. Now something doesn't feel "solid" about my installation and that's saying something since Windows 2000 Pro was my favorite OS. I used to be able to keep it up and running for weeks without a reboot. But this time its... tainted. It requires reboots, memory leaks abound. I see the IIS services hogging memory. Even worse, my second monitor is all wiggy.

 

THIS time, it decides that the only matching resolution is to magically cut an inch off the top and bottom of the monitor. So it's like having a 17" monitor with a 14" viewable area. It tries to keep up with the laptop monitor instead of being it's own monitor and makes text tinier and hard to read... kinda defeating the purpose of having an extra monitor for documentation.

 

I noticed that my configuration under Properties->Settings->Monitor (that controls resolution) is severely limited. NVidia software is providing 100% of the support. My taskbar is spanning both screens.

 

As I search the internet, I only see props for XP being native in handling multiple monitors and being truely top notch.

 

I also just found Cirri and some other utility that lets you develop ASP.Net on XP home. I'm starting to back things up on my external harddrive for my move back to XP Home. Maybe that'll fix my problems to a degree.

 

As a note, the only fullscreen gaming fix I have is to activate both monitors, make the external one the primary monitor - then turn off the monitor sharing. It gives me a normal sized monitor for fullscreen apps. But if I keep both monitors on, it really distorts the resolution on my laptop and things look wider and squater.

 

So I'll probobly be making a move back to XP home...

 

I also have a beta (or is it alpha?) of Longhorn. Is that even worth me asking?

[wyrd]

I played Baldur's Gate religiously (both I and II). I know for a fact they both support windowed mode.

 

As for drivers, just make sure you have the latest. Go to http://www.nvidia.com and download them from there.

 

So long as your computer is still under Dell warranty, they must help you solve your problem. Depending on the type of warranty you got, you can even have a technician come out to your house and fix it for you. 99% of the time though they should be able to help you over the phone.

 

Side note: Google.com helps me solve most of my problems. More than likely there's someone else out there with the same type of issue that you're having, and searching with google will help you find them. You'd be amazed on the info. that can be gathered with that lovely search engine.

 

As for things to try, follow this;

 

- Right click on game icon, go to properties.

- Click shortcut tab.

- In the target text box, type -w or -window at the end of the path (ie; "c:\some\path\game.exe" -w)

- Click OK.

- Attempt to start game.

 

On a lot of games that'll automatically start them in windowed. I had to do this for Diablo II (since there was no in-game option for it), and also Counter-Strike because the in-game windowed option wasn't working.

[Denaes]

Thanks for the 411 on trying to get games windowed.

 

Bauldars Gate (DVD with sword coast) and Icewind Dale both won't install on my computer. At all. the Setup process just dies and hangs. Nothing loads or happens and I have to kill the process in my Task Manager.

 

I'm almost afraid to try Fallout 1 or 2 (same company, but older games)... Maybe I'll try Arcanum or install some of the old Wizardry games.

 

Its starting to look like the only games I can get to run (win2kPro sp4) are pirated games (emulation roms mostly) and playstation games. I'm half tempted to find a pirated version of Bauldars Gate online. I own the DVD and BioWare seems to have their heads up their bums in respect to XP/2000 with their games. They really have no solutions. I'm sure some 12 year old cracker/hacker has come up with some solutions :D

 

I think it's actually humorous that I have more stability playing playstation games in an emulator on my computer than running games written for the computer

Edited August 8, 2004 by Denaes

[wyrd]

Sounds like you're in need of a reformat. :P The freezing on installation should not happen.

 

Call tech support and have them walk you through a reformat. Be sure to back up important files. :)

[Denaes]

I know how to reformat my hard drive silly :p

 

I need to get a windows Key to install XP on my machine. Dell keeps telling me to "Repair" and I'm like: "Hey, I get paid to be a computer consultant, network admin, computer programmer, etc, trust me when I tell you that a "OS Repair" will only repair certain OS related problems."

 

I've only had this install of Win2kPro for like 3 weeks and just "feels" unstable or wrong. I don't know. When I use my computer, I get the feeling of how stable it is.

 

I want to install XP Home, all my programming software and ghost the hard drive to prevent having to download and install over and over. The good thing about a Laptop is that your hardware configuration doesn't change very often :)

[wyrd]

Dell didn't give you the Windows XP key? Ew. I'd demand a refund! :)

 

I know how to reformat my hard drive silly :p

 

I need to get a windows Key to install XP on my machine. Dell keeps telling me to "Repair" and I'm like: "Hey, I get paid to be a computer consultant, network admin, computer programmer, etc, trust me when I tell you that a "OS Repair" will only repair certain OS related problems."

 

I've only had this install of Win2kPro for like 3 weeks and just "feels" unstable or wrong. I don't know. When I use my computer, I get the feeling of how stable it is.

 

I want to install XP Home, all my programming software and ghost the hard drive to prevent having to download and install over and over. The good thing about a Laptop is that your hardware configuration doesn't change very often :)

[Denaes]

Dell didn't give you the Windows XP key? Ew. I'd demand a refund! :)

They say it's available upon request. I got another "Key" on the CD Sleeve, which I thought was the key. But it's not.

 

I remember some other OEM places wouldn't even give you an OS disc, but a system restore disc. Which ment if your hard drive crashed you had to send it to them or request an actual OS disc. Compaq did that in the past, but I don't think they do that anymore.

 

I don't want a refund for my computer. I LOVE my laptop!! I just want to OWN my OS.

 

I threw away my old win98/95 cds and all I have is windows 2000 pro and XP Home.

 

What with XP sp2 comming out and me finding a BETTER solution for developing ASP.Net apps than running IIS constantly, I want to give XP Home another shot.

[samsmithnz]

Civ 2 was windowed, and more recently Americas Army runs decently in a window too.

[Jay1b]

Civ2 is probably the best game ever as well!

 

I brought my computer off Dell as well, and whenever i get a problem, the very nice man in india who doesnt speak English, always blames any problem on the fact i am running XP and not the ME that it came with. So if i know its not software related i just tell them i am running ME (as if?).

 

The tint was coming off my monitor screen, so i phoned up to get another monitor sent through, and intially he tried blaming it on the OS? Whats that about? Another time my Msoft mouse stopped working, i phoned up and they sent through a Logitech one - so i phoned back up and according to our very nice English speaking man (yeah right) Logitech and Msoft are the same company!

 

You cant get the license key? lol - makes you wonder why people pirate software really doesnt it? Its far less hassle!

[neodammer]

speaking of windows vs. fullscreen. when you run a game in fullscreen mode does it use less resources if say in windowed mode.. same resolution of course. I wonder if your video card is still processing the windows gui as well as the fullscreen game.

[Denaes]

speaking of windows vs. fullscreen. when you run a game in fullscreen mode does it use less resources if say in windowed mode.. same resolution of course. I wonder if your video card is still processing the windows gui as well as the fullscreen game.

I know things are still running in the background, but arn't being drawn from what I can tell.

 

I know on Bauldars Gate which I finally got running, can run full screen or windowed. It warns as you turn it to windowed that it'll make the game go slower.

 

::shrug::

[neodammer]

That makes sense. I think there should be an option in Windows or Video card settings that when in Full Screen mode to either "trim down" explorer.exe or pause it while the full screen is focused.

[EFileTahi-A]

I don't know what the fixation is on fullscreen. I've always hated them. Thats the point of windows, to have windows.

 

Fast forward to me getting a widescreen laptop... now fullscreen games don't even work on my computer at all.

 

Anyone know of games that are NOT fullscreen? I prefer RPG/Strategy/Puzzle games that you can play in a window. Diablo II was great because of this :)

 

Well if the game can be played in full screen, so in full screen it will be played!... I want the game to be immersive, if am going to play, i will ONLY pay attention to the game. Playing a game in a window is great when am doing several things at the same time (chat, 3D, Programing, music, browsing etc...) this can only be applyed to turn based games of course, like checkers, (yes, a basic game like checkers, complexier games to checkers go full screen as well) yet, even when am playing checkers online, most of the time I alt everything I was doing.

 

Playing and chatting at the same time means only two things for me:

1 - The conversation is comum and lacks of interest.

2 - The game is kinda boring but I have nothing else to do.

 

Playing an RPG (like morrowind or gothic II) in a window is like seeing a movie behind the scenes with its staff an cameras all around! Why do most of ppl go to the cinema? They can rent the movie for only 2.5� yet, it can be watched by many ppl! They go to the cinema because its more immersive! Thank god PowerDVD have the fullscreen feature ;)

 

PS:You're the only person that i know to prefer windowed to full screen games... Well one thing is for sure, ur not an hardcore gamer like me :D

Edited August 13, 2004 by EFileTahi-A

[Denaes]

PS:You're the only person that i know to prefer windowed to full screen games... Well one thing is for sure, ur not an hardcore gamer like me :D

I prefer windowed to seeing characters stretched across too wide because the game maker doesn't provide support for widescreen monitors.

 

I prefer there to be the option. I wouldn't dream of telling someone how they could/couldn't play their game. I often don't have that option myself though. It's just decided for me that I'm going to play it fullscreen.

 

I don't play a crappy video game which tells me what I can do. Arcanum and to a limited extent Baldurs Gate provide a little bit of immersion as they're the best I've seen at allowing you the illusion of control. I take that back. I missed Fallout 1 & 2 (hope 3 is as good with the new company working on it). They're much more immersive.

 

If I wanted immersion I'd read a book, play a role playing game, go to the movies, etc. I wouldn't sit there at my desk getting angry at a game for forcing me to act a certain way or telling me how I can go about something and who I must fight.

 

Maybe I'm jaded, but the D&D games are potentially worse because I know the rules - so I get pissed when they mess up a decent rule. Not because it's easier, but because they don't understand it. Black Isle got it right on that account. The previous guys (SSI?) were awful.

 

And I don't want to be "immersed" into a game of solitare or Majong, but some of those games go full screen. I don't want to go fullscreen on tetris or a puzzle game. I like being able to pause it if something comes up without everything going all wiggy and the colors on the monitor getting messed up and loosing my resolution. I don't like being jerked out of fullscreen mode as I'm doing something because windows has a dialogue and I don't enjoy when games automatically quit on exiting fullscreen either. That means if something comes up you have to exit then restart the game and is VERY annoying when something jerks you out of the game and you loose it without saving.

 

Games like Max Payne, FF X & X2, Resident Evil, That other survial horror game thats all dark... those games I can immerse myself in. to make up for the shattering loss of control, they make up for it by being more cinematic and almost like watching a movie. Funny they all happen to be on PS2 (maybe xbox also), which is full screen.

 

And no, I don't normally find a movie in the theatre more immersive.

 

Having to deal with 14 year old drug dealers talking throughout the movie with 'clients' walking into the theatre during harry potter 3 pissed me off. :mad:

 

Having to get inbetween a fight because the low class 30 yr old guido (thats a musclebound flasshy hottempered person; which is normally applied to itallian guys in new york and derrived from the mafia) next to me decided it was his right to stand up and start yelling at the 14 yr old girl behind him because it was a packed theatre and she had a sprained leg of some sort and it was touching is chair durring X-2. :eek:

 

Having to sit in a nearly emty theatre for Van Helsing center rear (precisely 3 rows from rear - the movie G-Spot) - only like 5 people in the entire theatre and a group of 4 teenage guys walking in 10 minutes into the movie laughing and joking around and sitting in the seats RIGHT BEHIND me and my wife slurping their drinks and chewing their food like cows chew cud wasn't very immersive. We had to get up and move. :o

 

Going to watch the Blair Witch Project and having people actively calling out and mocking the movie "thats so fake!" "crybaby *****" and erruptions of laugher didn't make that a very immersive event.

 

Somehow turning down the the lights, turning off the ringer on the phone and popping the DVD on my 30" TV (not very large) which isn't high definition or flat screen or widescreen and without surround sound and watching the movie without fights, talking, chewing is about 9,003,383% more immersive than going to the theatre :D

 

I'll grant it the private screenings I've had in theatres (friends who worked there) were sometimes more immersive... but when you're on a doubledate in a closed theatre, theres also more likeliness of nookie breaking out or my friend saying "I'm going to the stand, want anything?" which kinda breaks it as well.

 

I'll grant that in theory if a game was coded properly and supported my display and had quality sound and video without forcing you to watch a movie, I would find it more immersive than windowed.

 

But I normally play PC games to have fun or pass the time, not be immersed :P

[EFileTahi-A]

I prefer windowed to seeing characters stretched across too wide because the game maker doesn't provide support for widescreen monitors.

 

Well yes, i agree with you... wide screens should be supported!

 

I prefer there to be the option. I wouldn't dream of telling someone how they could/couldn't play their game. I often don't have that option myself though. It's just decided for me that I'm going to play it fullscreen.

 

Yes, having an option is always better

 

I don't play a crappy video game which tells me what I can do. Arcanum and to a limited extent Baldurs Gate provide a little bit of immersion as they're the best I've seen at allowing you the illusion of control. I take that back. I missed Fallout 1 & 2 (hope 3 is as good with the new company working on it). They're much more immersive.

 

For me, crappy games r games like age of empires... I see tons of those games in nowadays. they are so god d*** boring... but, to be honest, I don't think they are crappy. Bad games sometimes can be a truly subjective thing.. Am just bored of real time strategy games, does not mean that those games are crappy.

 

 

If I wanted immersion I'd read a book, play a role playing game, go to the movies, etc. I wouldn't sit there at my desk getting angry at a game for forcing me to act a certain way or telling me how I can go about something and who I must fight.

 

Well, Gothic II was one of the finest games i have played so far, I rather play a good game then read a book, watch a movie or having "fun". Yet I rather be at my favorit spot (my desk) then in a beach or someplace else...

 

And I don't want to be "immersed" into a game of solitare or Majong, but some of those games go full screen. I don't want to go fullscreen on tetris or a puzzle game. I like being able to pause it if something comes up without everything going all wiggy and the colors on the monitor getting messed up and loosing my resolution. I don't like being jerked out of fullscreen mode as I'm doing something because windows has a dialogue and I don't enjoy when games automatically quit on exiting fullscreen either. That means if something comes up you have to exit then restart the game and is VERY annoying when something jerks you out of the game and you loose it without saving.

 

Yes, I hate when that happens too. Having my screen messed up every time i minimize the full screens game. But, to be honest i don't think that I ever played single player tetris or majong in my computer...

 

Games like Max Payne, FF X & X2, Resident Evil, That other survial horror game thats all dark... those games I can immerse myself in. to make up for the shattering loss of control, they make up for it by being more cinematic and almost like watching a movie. Funny they all happen to be on PS2 (maybe xbox also), which is full screen.

 

resident evil was made originaly made for PS1... Max Payne was originaly made for PC, Final fantaxy.. well can't tell... the first FF was for SNES if am not wrong... Those type of games exits in PC, but I rather have Gothic II or Fallout then FF or resident evil. I had a PSX and now i have PS2, and i can tell u this.. I use PS2 to play movies only. Its games... well... can't find a decent simulator on PS2... its all arcade...

Edited August 13, 2004 by EFileTahi-A

[EFileTahi-A]

(final part)...

 

And no, I don't normally find a movie in the theatre more immersive.

 

Well I agree with u... but most ppl have this opinion.

I rather see a movie at home... on my couch laughing and cryiing whenever i think its worthy of laughing or crying. Because in FAHRENHEIT 9/11 ppl reproved my laughs because I laugh in what they call wrong parts of the movie... For god sake, having Britney Spears saying that she trusts Bush is just a ROTFL as lound as I can!

 

Having to deal with 14 year old drug dealers talking throughout the movie with 'clients' walking into the theatre during harry potter 3 pissed me off. :mad:

 

Having to get inbetween a fight because the low class 30 yr old guido (thats a musclebound flasshy hottempered person; which is normally applied to itallian guys in new york and derrived from the mafia) next to me decided it was his right to stand up and start yelling at the 14 yr old girl behind him because it was a packed theatre and she had a sprained leg of some sort and it was touching is chair durring X-2.

 

Having to sit in a nearly emty theatre for Van Helsing center rear (precisely 3 rows from rear - the movie G-Spot) - only like 5 people in the entire theatre and a group of 4 teenage guys walking in 10 minutes into the movie laughing and joking around and sitting in the seats RIGHT BEHIND me and my wife slurping their drinks and chewing their food like cows chew cud wasn't very immersive. We had to get up and move.

 

Going to watch the Blair Witch Project and having people actively calling out and mocking the movie "thats so fake!" "crybaby *****" and erruptions of laugher didn't make that a very immersive event.

 

For god sake? where are u from? course i had some issues at cinema but nothing like that OMG! :D

 

Somehow turning down the the lights, turning off the ringer on the phone and popping the DVD on my 30" TV (not very large) which isn't high definition or flat screen or widescreen and without surround sound and watching the movie without fights, talking, chewing is about 9,003,383% more immersive than going to the theatre :D

 

I cannot agree with u, I think that was a lame thing to say... i think its 9,003,383.34% more immersive ;) (althought i hate when ppl talk and break my concetration on the movie)

 

I'll grant it the private screenings I've had in theatres (friends who worked there) were sometimes more immersive... but when you're on a doubledate in a closed theatre, theres also more likeliness of nookie breaking out or my friend saying "I'm going to the stand, want anything?" which kinda breaks it as well.

 

if my friend would do that, I would probably crucify him at the cinemas main entrance:-)

 

But I normally play PC games to have fun or pass the time, not be immersed

:P

 

I play games to have fun, but if game is also immersive then i will play it by, lets say, 10 hours in a row? (like a did many many days with gothic II omg!)

 

We have diferent options, and diferent tastes, but we have one thing in comun, we respect eachother options. Now thats a rare thing to happen

Ur a good fellow, I liked to chat with ya (and yes, we have also some options in comum).

 

Later mate!

 

PS: Say, u use messenger?

Edited August 13, 2004 by EFileTahi-A

[Denaes]

For me' date=' crappy games r games like age of empires... I see tons of those games in nowadays. they are so god d*** boring... but, to be honest, I don't think they are crappy. Bad games sometimes can be a truly subjective thing.. Am just bored of real time strategy games, does not mean that those games are crappy.[/quote']

Well there are styles I don't like.

 

I normally don't First Person Shooters (or their similar), but I did enjoy max payne (maybe that slowdown bullet time :D ) and Silent Hill (that other scary game I couldn't remember the name to) which isn't so much of a shooter.

 

I'm genearally not interested in "action" types so much. Just a preference.

 

For the most part, I despise real time strategy. It starts to give me a panic attack and then I get stressed and flip out on the computer because often times the computer is allowed to "cheat", ie not follow the same rules you do. You finally get get to the enemy HQ after building your 4th troop builder (barracks, hut, whatever it's called in your game) you finally overpower them and realize that they just have one mine and one troop builder and they were outstripping your two and tying you at three!!

 

I like RPGs and strategy games, be they puzzle, turn based war/combat games/kingdom simulation, or whatever else. I also like solitare type games as well, but not cards. the only games I had for like 3 years on my Mac Plus was a pack of like 50 card solitare games. I hate the mac plus (not all macs, but especially the plus) and I now hate solitare card games :)

 

When I use the term crappy, it doesn't mean I don't like the game, it means that I don't like the way they implimented it. If you're playing a RPG, you're getting immersed in it, but limited.

 

Thats why I didn't care for most Final Fantasy games. It was like you were playing without choice. Half the game you had no choice were to go, you were basically herded and you just watched scripted scenes take place. It was a big todo in FF7 when they'd ask you questions you could answer and depending on what you chose you'd go out on a date with one of two girls or a guy (you insulted both girls equally).

 

Final Fantasy X was good enough visually and stylistically and gave you some choices that it was good enough to get immersed into. X-2 is really too light to immerse, but at least they give you 100% choice.

 

Fallout and most of the black Isle titles do a good job in giving you choices and letting you play YOUR game. Planescape Torment was bomb diggity about that and graphics (at the time)!

 

Well, Gothic II was one of the finest games i have played so far

I'm going to check this game out. I remember hearing about it or something -the name rings a bell.

 

, I rather play a good game then read a book, watch a movie or having "fun". Yet I rather be at my favorit spot (my desk) then in a beach or someplace else...

And to each their own choice. If everyone loved doing what everyone else did, it would suck. The beach would always be crowded or the theatres always packed or each new book always selling out before you get it, etc.

 

I'm not as game centric. I'd rather program mostly, I have a two monitor setup so I can watch a movie (avi/mpg or DVD) while I program, I can read. Role Playing involved getting friends together and is a little more of a hassle. games are just when I've had too much caffeine (or not enough) to program, I'm passing some time, etc.

 

Sometimes a game will come out that makes me close Visual Studio :D

 

resident evil was made originaly made for PS1... Max Payne was originaly made for PC, Final fantaxy.. well can't tell... the first FF was for SNES if am not wrong... Those type of games exits in PC, but I rather have Gothic II or Fallout then FF or resident evil. I had a PSX and now i have PS2, and i can tell u this.. I use PS2 to play movies only. Its games... well... can't find a decent simulator on PS2... its all arcade...

FF was first made for the Nintendo, then jumped to the Snes in america. They skipped from pt 1 to pt 4. In japan the first 3 were on the Famicom (nintendo basically), then 4-6 were on superfamicom. Four is our part two, Five wasn't released in america until recently and was better than our 2+3 combined and our 3 was their 6. After that things synched up.

 

I too am also waiting on a good RPG to come out on the PS2 or something. I got more use out of my Game Boy Advance when Final Fantasy Tactics Advance came out - it's a tactical combat game, fun timekiller.

 

For the PSX games, I normally just play mine on my PC. Easier that way :)