Vista anyone?

mskeel

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Who's got it? Who's tried it? What'd you think? Who's upgrading? Who's not? What impact does it have on VS/.Net/open source dev tools?

I've seen some commercials on TV and the scrolly task switching thing looked way cool. Also, the zoom and pan navigation of images in a folder looked neat, but I haven't tried it so I don't really know. I'll probably upgrade when I build a new computer but sadly that won't be for a while. Until then, I'm curious to know more. Should I hold off or accelerate my plans?
 
Got it, like it. Some of the interface takes getting used to though - but very nice when you do.

VS has some known 'issues' one being it isn't supported without SP1 and an additional Vista patch... but by and large no real problems.
 
One thing that really bothers me about Windows Vista is that it is a big step in the direction of trusted computing. When I discuss trusted computing, I worry that I sound like a conspiracy theorist or something, but don't confuse my distaste for trusted computing with paranoia. I simply don't appreciate Microsoft's efforts to take control of my computer from me. I know that it might sound like an overreaction, but I'm not going to explain my thoughts and reasoning here because that is another topic for another thread another day. I also don't appreciate the way they worked out the versions. But, yeah, it sure does look pretty.

Will I be upgrading to Vista? Probably not any time soon, and when I do, it will most likely be my last Windows upgrade.
 
marble_eater said:
...when I do, it will most likely be my last Windows upgrade.
How so? Are you thinking Linux or Mac? Cabin in the woods and no need for a computer?
 
Trustworthy computing

One thing that really bothers me about Windows Vista is that it is a big step in the direction of trusted computing. When I discuss trusted computing, I worry that I sound like a conspiracy theorist or something, but don't confuse my distaste for trusted computing with paranoia. I simply don't appreciate Microsoft's efforts to take control of my computer from me.

I don't know much about the specifics of the trustworthy computing in Vista, but I appreciate Microsoft's efforts to make the computing experience more reliable. Unlike you or I, the vast majority of Windows users are mostly ignorant when it comes to computers, specifically security. If users are not going to bother to find out about such things or ask people that know, then the computing experience needs to be made much safer from the start.

Like many of you I suspect, I am often asked by friends and family to help with computer-related issues (mainly networking). They are all smart people, just not computer technicians. And therefore sometimes they make mistakes. They fall for phishing hoaxes, they download potentially infected files, they can't tell that their antivirus is turned off, they don't know why suddenly everything is running so slowly, and so on.

So, trustworthy computing might inconvenience you a little, but if it makes computers (and the internet) less of a mystery and safer for the majority of people out there, then that has to be a good thing.

Q&A: Trustworthy Computing at Five Years
 
Again, at the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, would you really rate an article or Q&A by TC's biggest proponent as much more than propaganda? The ultimate goal is that both software and hardware be 100% TC compliant. Though not utterly horrific, the thought sickens me. It puts both users and typical programmers a long step back from hardware and raw data. For the average user this might even sound like a plus, but I enjoy this aspect of computing.

TC sounds innocent enough, but I can't imagine that it could be more than marginally more secure than current software that is (properly) designed to be secure, and even if it is, I personally don't think it is worth it. It is naive to think that Microsoft's goal with TC is anything but to essentially eliminate piracy and enhance licensing (not just software licenses, but licenses on data and content) and permissions in a secure manner. (The "Trusted" in trusted computer refers more to the software vendor's ability to trust users than the user's ability to trust their computer.) That sounds like a good thing, and I am not an advocate of software piracy and I understand the need for licensing, but I think that the concept of intellectual property is far overrated. (Take a hard look at google's business model.) My concern is that I simply don't think that control of my computer should really be in anyone's hands except my own. Period.

MrPaul, I understand what you are saying about those who are less computer literate than you or I. I find myself in the same situation time and time again, but a lot of malware and internet scheming will quickly find its way around TC (the core fundamentals of TC do not directly address this type of problem, despite software vendors claims that TC will help in these areas). The interest of TC lies in large software vendors, not users. There is alot to be said about trusted computing, and I don't think that it is the devil. I think that it is great for business computing. I think it is great for government computing. I just think that it is horrible for home computing and academic computing.

Again, there is very much to be said about TC. It is hard to understand why I might say some of the things I've said without knowing the ins and outs of TC. I recommend you do some research and understand how it works, what the motives are behind it, and what benefits and risks it involves. Like I said, I really don't want to discuss TC on this thread, because that is not the topic of this thread (and believe me, I've only said a tiny fraction of what I think about TC). If it is to be discussed it should be done on another thread (where I will be glad to discuss it). I don't think that everyone discussing Vista really wants to read all my nonsense.


Back on topic, where would I go from Windows? Most likely either Linux (the capital in the land of free software) or I will keep my x86 with Windows Xp for decades to come, like an old man listening to his vinyl records. It would be a shame to leave DotNet programming behind, because I truly love it, but I would do it for the sake of principle. Besides, that cabin in the woods sounds awfully inviting.
 
Vista

I am not an advocate of software piracy and I understand the need for licensing, but I think that the concept of intellectual property is far overrated.

I guess that is where you and I differ. I believe that distribution is about choice - if a software vendor, musician, or any other media producer wishes to distribute their product for free, that is fine. I use a lot of open source software myself. However, if they decide that they wish to charge people and do not want others making free copies then who has the right to say that they can't? If you don't like it then don't buy it, and go looking for the free (and likely inferior) alternative. As you have already pointed out, there are alternatives such as Linux. I doubt we'll see a mass migration though.

With regards to Vista, my university has been giving out licenses and ISOs for some time now, but with the caveat that there will be absolutely no tech support until it is verified that all the departmental software runs ok, which last time I heard still wasn't the case. I've always been quite a late adopter so I won't be upgrading for a long while yet.
 
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