.Net is now multiplatform... for the price of your soul!

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Java based .Net framework. Runs on any machine that supports Java 1.4 (or is it 1.3?).

Runs on Linux, PC, OS 9, OS X, etc

Though one look at the "Flexible" pricing modules and you may not want to veer past your 30 day free trial.

For once I wish MS would just buy the stupid rights to the software and distribute it cheaply. :D
 
Microsoft has agreed with Corel to make .net framework for Linux, or even Mac. I think I would rather wait for free .net frameworks from MS than spending 20k buck buying iNet. Cos according to google, almost home and office users are using windows platforms. Linux, however, plays an important role in server market. :D
 
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Oh, I get it.

Its not the framework that is crossplatform, its really a .Net to Java converter. It converts your .Net application into a java compatable program!

Well that certainly makes more sense to convert apps over to Java than to purchase a $5,000 liscense just to run a .net program...

I was wondering how that was supposed to help schools, buying 30 $2,500 liscenses (50% discount)... 75,000 for a classroom that would have been.

I wonder if you can do this to sourcecode or to already compiled .net programs...
 
dragon4spy, do you have any information or sources to the refernece you made
Microsoft has agreed with Corel to make .net framework for Linux, or even Mac.
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It's not that I doubt you or think you are wrong. I think this is great news and I was just courious as to the source of the information so I can read it myself and watch the source for future information about it.

As a developer I was hoping that something would happen to allow .NET programs to run in other environments other than MS. If this actually does happen then I can program away with confidence and not have to watch/wonder or try to hedge my bets on which environemnt I would have to cater to in order to get my application(s) sold to the broadest market base.

I do agree with you, I would rather wait for either a free tool to be made available or for it to drop in price some as I personally can't afford the so far discussed prices to attempt to have mass distribution of the things I would write.
 
Thanks for the link on the news story about the Corel-Microsoft deal. I noticed that it was dated October 2000 and the story indicated the deal would be good for three years. I haven't heard anything from Microsoft or Corel on the matter and wonder what is up.

Perhaps the Mono project is what is going to be used instead of the Corel-Microsoft deal. I'll keep watching as I wade further into .NET and see what happens.
 
According to Mono project's timeline, C# compiler for linux will be available in late 2004 (framwork v1.0). Vb.net compiler for linux will be available in early 2005 (framework v1.2), and most-complete .net framework for linux (v1.4) will be available in late 2005.

I'm doubt what those C# and vb.net compilers used for? Since the compiled code in windows .net compiler is in IL codes, so what is needed to run on Linux platform is only a .net framework.

Thus, Is mono a compiler or a framework for Linux?
 
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Actually, Mono is going to have both elements incorporated into it. It is/will be a compiler so developers can use it to write code and compile it down to IL, and it has/will have the .NET framework for it so that the IL can be executed under the Linux environment.

At least this is my understanding of things as I look at what is on the site about it. I can see the 'why' to this so that a developer who seeks to work in a Linux environment can develop in that environment and their work be runable in the MS environment.
 
Oh I see... :D So how about dotNet IDE in Linux? As far as I know, Mono won't have one, or maybe other projects, or Microsoft will make one?
 
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Oh I see... :D So how about dotNet IDE in Linux? As far as I know, Mono won't have one, or maybe other projects, or Microsoft will make one?
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http://www.monodevelop.com/screenshots.aspx

They've already released an early beta IDE for Mono/Linux.

Its starting to look like if you want real crossplatform action in the forseeable future, you need to deal in C#.

All the .Net stuff should be able to be run on Mono, but as far as compiling with Mono, C# is way further ahead of VB.Net.

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Nothing makes me feel stupider than looking at linux jargin. Its probobly not too complicated, but its like 100% different from windows. I'd probobly need a "Linux for Dummies" to translate what all the filetypes are and everything. :D
 
Linux is a completely new system for me. I used it for a month, but now I can't even install a software. How then? In those .gz things :D.

It will be difficult for me to start programming in Linux. Maybe I need to catch C++ first.
 
If all goes well on the Mono side, then you yourself will not have to worry about learning how to program in Linux. You can use MS and the VS.NET IDE to program and compile in. You can then take the compiled files and users can install them on MS or Linux.

Right now the only real thing I wold think a person would need to learn is how to package their programs up for deployment on Linux. You might not have to even worry about deployment if somehow they come up with a way of doing ‘universal’ packaging like some systems for Java do. I can't say with certainity since I haven't worked with Mono yet but it will be interesting to see how things progress :)
 
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If all goes well on the Mono side, then you yourself will not have to worry about learning how to program in Linux. You can use MS and the VS.NET IDE to program and compile in. You can then take the compiled files and users can install them on MS or Linux.

Right now the only real thing I wold think a person would need to learn is how to package their programs up for deployment on Linux. You might not have to even worry about deployment if somehow they come up with a way of doing ‘universal’ packaging like some systems for Java do. I can't say with certainity since I haven't worked with Mono yet but it will be interesting to see how things progress :)
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For the most part, deploying a .Net project is just copying a directory with your program in it.

The Mono would handle the copy operations in theory. You might need to learn some conventions... Isn't Linux not allowed to have spaces in filenames? Stuff like that.

Mono should act as the inerpreter and all the developer would need to do is code in a .Net language or IL and mono will do the rest.
 
You might be right regarding the no spaces allowed in file names. I can't say for certain as I haven't worked in Linux yet. My background has been SCO Unix, IBM AIX, and the Windows world in terms of servers starting with NT3.5 on up. My home setup consists of a Win XP Pro box and a SCO Open Server box (yes I bought my own copy of SCO Unix several years back ;) ) The only Linux experience I have is working with it remotely for my web site as my hosting provider where my Post Nuke webiste is located at runs Linux. While I have learned some that way it is not the same thing as having my own box and working with it as the actual admin and such.

I am wanting to take the Linux plunge, the timing of it will just depend on the status of cash on hand and what I need to allocate out to a few necessary things that must be taken care of before that.

What has appealed to me to want to try Linux out is the Mono project and the thought that my .NET work would be useable under both MS and Linux. I looked at the SCO offerings and couldn't find a thing about any type of work they were doing to provide .NET useability with their system so that has been the main reason I may not stay with SCO myself.

You are correct, at least from my view, that Mono should be able to do the rest and we just code. At least that is my impression of what they are aiming for as I review the information on their site.
 
I'm waiting for two things to make a move to OS X or Linux.

A professional (ie, fully implimented and few bugs) .Net IDE.

Macromedia Flash (preferrably the whole Macromedia Studio).

OS X already has the whole Macromedia Studio, but I see no plans in any forseeable future of it getting a professional .Net IDE.

Linux has neither, but is promising both.

Macromedia is helping to support Macromedia Flash emulation on WINE (Windows Emulator for Linux) and looking into developing a native Flash (or whole studio) support for linux.

Linux also has that .001 beta of a C# IDE, so theres a real possibility.

Other than that, what do I use a computer for? Watching movies? Internet? Buisiness Bookkeeping? All that is already possible on Linux.

I just need to make sure my All-in-one printer/scanner/fax is supported and I think I'm set to go.

But programming is my primary use for my computer and both Flash and .Net both solve different problems.
 
Sounds like you are just about ready to go then.

Yes, I had heard about the initial Macromedia statement to bring certain parts to WINE with the possible intent on making a port of their full suite for Linux itself. I don't have the news article bookmarked but I do recall reading their head fellow making a statement something like "We have been waiting for the right time and now that time seems to have arrived."

This is a good time to be in the computing field. There is so many new things being developed, so many new technologies to work with, and so much that you can do with it all. I really enjoy working in this field. :)
 
irasmith said:
This is a good time to be in the computing field. There is so many new things being developed, so many new technologies to work with, and so much that you can do with it all. I really enjoy working in this field. :)
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Eh, I find it all very depressing.

10 years ago people said the same thing. In 10 years people will again say the same thing, and comment on how sad it was for people 10 years ago (now) to think we were lucky. :D
 
dragon4spy said:
Linux is a completely new system for me. I used it for a month, but now I can't even install a software. How then? In those .gz things :D.

It will be difficult for me to start programming in Linux. Maybe I need to catch C++ first.
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Don't even get me started on those .gz.tar things...
 
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